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Sarah/Katherine ([personal profile] truepenny) wrote2006-12-19 08:05 am
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Let's talk about sex.

ETA: since [livejournal.com profile] metafandom has apparently linked to this post sans context, let me state explicitly that I'm talking about the MISLABELING of original fiction featuring a same-sex relationship--as for example, [livejournal.com profile] matociquala's Carnival--as slash in reviews and commentary by people who are not slash writers themselves. I'm not trying to talk about what slash writers choose to do within their fandoms and communities. Not a slasher. Don't play one on TV. I'm arguing that slash, as a term, belongs to fanfiction, and should not be applied to works that are not fanfiction. My reasons for feeling as I do, explained in the following post, stem partly from my own career as a pro writer whose work features a lot of same-sex relationships, and partly from my appreciation, as a genre theorist, of the intertextual subversion inherent in what slash does.

The subtext, as Giles says to Buffy in "Ted," is rapidly becoming text.

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More specifically, let's talk about slash and why it is offensive and heteronormatizing to equate it with homosexual relationships.

The subversion/containment model (proposed by Foucault and applied by a bunch of New Historicist critics in the 1980s) has buried somewhere in the unexamined assumptions of its premise the notion that somehow subversion is bad. Or nonsustainable. Conservation of energy. A society tends to conserve the status quo.

This may be descriptively true (she says, looking dourly at her own society), but prescriptively, it sucks major moose cock, because it assumes that subversion exists to be contained. Hence Natalie Zemon Davis's elaboration of Foucault with her "pressure-valve" idea. (Which, btw, I think is incredibly helpful for understanding extremely conservative societies--like I said, descriptively the idea can be very helpful.)

Slash is subversion.

(For those of you who are still wondering what on earth I'm talking about, slash is a kind of fanfiction which posits a romantic/sexual relationship between two characters who in canon have no such thing. You might also describe it as an underground movement. It's named for the labelling convention that marks it; the first slash was K/S: Kirk-slash-Spock.)

Slash says, "These two canonically romantically-uninvolved characters have a close, intense, and obviously loving relationship. Our society--as inscribed on these characters by censorship and other kinds of normatizing pressure--does not allow that relationship to be developed in a sexual way. Let's transgress the taboo."

Now, obviously, that transgression can be done mindfully or otherwise, but the key component to slash is the overt sexualization of a non-sexual, or only subtextually sexual, relationship.

That relationship is, 9 times out of 10, between two men. Because, 9 times out of 10, the most intense and interesting relationship in any given canon is--wait for it--between two men. (And that has to do with a whole bunch of other factors and influences including, you know, four or five millennia worth of patriarchy.)

Now, why am I so adamant that slash is not the same as homosexual relationships?

Because I insist that homosexual relationships ought not to be categorized as subversive.

(Okay, yes, leftist liberal commie bitch, that would be me. Please don't tell me you're surprised.)

Labelling a homosexual relationship in a work of fiction as slash is wrong for a couple of reasons. One is that it's eliding the line between a work of fiction and commentary ON that work of fiction. I think it's inherent to slash that it is subverting and deconstructing and undercutting a canon text's assumptions about sexuality and love (using "text" here in a broad and metaphorical sense, rather than the literal one of words-printed-on-a-page). Slash is a game played with canon, and part of its value is in the tension it both creates and illuminates between canon text and subtext.

The other reason that it's wrong to label homosexual relationships, whether in or out of fiction, as slash is that it is reinscribing heteronormativity on our society and our discourse. It's a syllogism. Slash is gay sex. Slash is subversive. Therefore, gay sex is subversive. The subversion/containment model is a BOX, and as long as we keep putting homosexual relationships in that box, we are reinforcing the idea that heterosexuality is the standard by which all other sexualities will and ought to be judged. The same idea that is powering the (often hysterical) attempts to define marriage in such a way that gay and lesbian people cannot have it. Because their committed monogamous relationships are being judged as subversive.

And that's so horribly wrong that it's eaten all my words.

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[identity profile] cyberocelot.livejournal.com 2006-12-20 05:42 pm (UTC)(link)
As a gay man, a fan of your work, and a lit. major I applaud your wonderful comment. Fuck yeah!

[identity profile] bunney.livejournal.com 2006-12-21 03:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmmmm, maybe. Terminology changes over time, however, so while in the misty beginnings of fanfic, slash = non-canon relationships, that is not what it is generally accepted to mean *now*. I'm in HP fandom, so by your definition, Draco/Hermione, Harry/Hermione, Dumbledore/McGonagall, Remus/Sirius are *all* slash pairings. For that matter, Ron/Hermione would fall under the same definition, despite the fact that they are likely to become a canon pairing in the future. I think if you tried that one out in this fandom, you would meet some hardcore resistance from slashers and het fans alike.

Perhaps the term "slash" has become synonymous with "gay" but I fail to see exactly what is wrong with that. It's a term that is widely recognized as defining a same-sex relationship within fanfic and I honestly don't think most fans see it as something negative. The subversiveness (or not) of the subject matter has little to do with the word describing it. You could call it "flibbertygibbet" and if the reader/writer perceives it as subversive (or not), then that's what it will mean to them.

Besides, slash is more acceptable in terms of labeling fic than calling it "gay" or "homo" as opposed to "straight" or "het".

[identity profile] slytherincesss.livejournal.com 2006-12-21 04:14 pm (UTC)(link)
So very well said.

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[identity profile] veleda-k.livejournal.com 2006-12-21 06:35 pm (UTC)(link)
I think one of the problems here may be changing language. I've heard slash defined as "a kind of fanfiction which posits a romantic/sexual relationship between two characters who in canon have no such thing," but it's rare. Mostly, in my frequent internet wandering, I see slash=man/man, femslash=woman/woman, and het=woman/man, with slash also being used to mean all same gender pairings. According to that definition, even if the characters I'm writing are lesbians in canon, I'm still writing slash/femslash.

As for the subversion element of it, first off, I don't think being subversive is a bad thing--down with the dominant paradigm, and all that. I consider my identity to be subversive, but that says more about the culture I live in than me. Current culture has, for the most part, decreed that homosexual relationships are a bad thing. Given that, I think it can be argued that writing about them positively is subversive, no matter where or how you're writing them.

[identity profile] galadhir.livejournal.com 2006-12-21 06:36 pm (UTC)(link)
But I don't write m/m fanfic in order to be subversive. I don't see m/m relationships as subversive, so why should my writing about them in fanfiction or in original fiction be subversive?

OK, perhaps the relationships are not there in the canon, but so what? Would my writing m/f relationships which are not in the show also = subversion? If not, why not?

It may be that fanfiction itself = subversion. But that's a different question, and it's hard to see how that is insultingly heteronormative.

In the mean time, just to avoid confusion, perhaps I should start labelling my fic as m/m romance, because clearly I'm missing something vital in the definition of 'slash' here. I thought it just meant 'fic (original or fanfic) in which there is a primary m/m relationship.' But I suspect from this article that I was wrong about that.
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[personal profile] gloss 2006-12-21 07:35 pm (UTC)(link)
it's eliding the line between a work of fiction and commentary ON that work of fiction. I think it's inherent to slash that it is subverting and deconstructing and undercutting a canon text's assumptions about sexuality and love (using "text" here in a broad and metaphorical sense, rather than the literal one of words-printed-on-a-page). Slash is a game played with canon, and part of its value is in the tension it both creates and illuminates between canon text and subtext.
*Yes*.
I've long been really uncomfortable with the concept of "original slash", but I've never been able to find the words for *why*. Thanks so much for this essay; it's right on the mark about so many things.
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[identity profile] riveroceansea.livejournal.com 2006-12-22 12:01 am (UTC)(link)
I feel the word 'slash' started out as a warning to those who only wanted to read heterosexual fiction. Not because the authors thought that homosexual behavior was subversive, but because they didn't want the narrow-minded people in the fandom complaining about stumbling onto a pairing/story that was for them morally corrupt.

And I won't even *start* on the topic of Real Person Slash (RPS), but if someone wants to, please feel free. *grin*

[identity profile] duskpeterson.livejournal.com 2006-12-23 04:32 am (UTC)(link)
Invading here from [livejournal.com profile] metafandom.

I won't bother to make the point that's already been made in this thread - including by you - that the perspective that slash is subversive is more often seen outside the fan fiction community than inside.

Reading [livejournal.com profile] matociquala's posts that you linked to, I see that her original concern was that a reviewer labelled her story as slash when the m/m content was barely perceptible. That sort of concern makes sense to me.

I can't be sure what sort of thought process was going through the non-fandom-connected reviewers' minds. (For that matter, I'm not sure how one can be sure which reviewers aren't also fan fiction readers, unless one knows them personally. I notice, for example, that one of the reviewers who set off this explosion is an anime fan.) But obviously these reviewers are picking up their terminology from fan fiction readers. So, despite the admirable effort of both you and [livejournal.com profile] matociquala to say to fan fiction readers, "We're not telling you how to use your own language," I think it does help to figure out why fan fiction readers often label original gay fiction by fan fiction labels. (Other than the reasons already mentioned in this thread.)

If a slash or yaoi reader had labelled Carnival as slash or yaoi, I'd suspect that their thinking was something like this:

"Ohmygod, I've been searching for MONTHS and MONTHS for another mainstream book with m/m content AND I FOUND IT! You gotta read this! I found more slash/yaoi!"

See, they're reacting like that simply because any m/m content in mainstream fiction is hard to find. So the way to stop having novels like Carnival labelled slash, to my mind, is to make gay content so common in mainstream novels that a mainstream novel with two m/m scenes in it won't register on anyone's radar.

I agree when you say that labelling a slash-like work of gay fiction as slashy would be more helpful than saying it's slash. But as somebody whose work is read by gay readers and slash readers alike - and whose work is generally labelled gay fiction by gay readers and original slash by slash readers - I don't take offense where none is offered.

What matters most is whether the readers and reviewers like the story, don't you think?
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[identity profile] gardensoil.livejournal.com 2006-12-23 11:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Now, why am I so adamant that slash is not the same as homosexual relationships?

Because I insist that homosexual relationships ought not to be categorized as subversive.


I completely agree. Not as subversive, not as exotic, not as alien.
These may all be devices in art with the aforementioned theme, and be meaningful or whatsoever, but as a category, no. A definite no.





[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_swallow/ 2006-12-23 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I could be wrong, but my sense is that feral fans are changing the definition of the word "slash". Over in the vidding world they're dealing with people who put together slideshows of original material with m/m content and call it a fanvid.

The fact that whether original material can be called "fanvid" or "slash" is up for debate at all seems to indicate to me that the landscape of fandom is-- as ever-- changing.

And while I like your socio-generic prescriptivism, I gotta follow linguistic descriptivism-- the life of a word is its use. The word "slash" is changing because the landscape of fandom is changing-- because, in some large part, I think, the landscape of queer issues is changing.

People are using "slash" to mean "anything with gay content" and that doesn't mean they're trying to say it's subversive. I think it means that to them, gay content isn't subversive in the degree it was even five years ago.

In five more years, I bet, this new meaning of "slash" is wider-spread still.
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[identity profile] wemblee.livejournal.com 2006-12-24 12:53 am (UTC)(link)
I see what you're saying, and I'm all for subversion, and I'm all for not labeling same-sex relationships subversive just because they're same-sex, but...

There is a sort of slashy... aesthetic, I feel. Buffy/Spike, before it became canon, felt slashy, even though Buffy's a woman and Spike's a man. Willow/Tara felt slashy to me, because it went from (just barely) non-canonical to canonical.

I like to write stuff that gives me that slashy "zing," for lack of a better word -- stuff that, yeah, tries to subvert the genre by gaying it up. While it's not slash, exactly, 'cause it's not fanfic, calling it slashy at least lets me describe what I'm going for to fan-type people.

Also, I agree with whoever it was above that said that slash fiction's subversive qualities are, more often than not, "an accident of sociology." The main draw, for better or for worse, is the same-sex relationship. I don't think most slash fans really care if the pairing they're currently obsessed about is subversive or not; I mean, just check out the latest wank over a fan trying to generalize why fans write slash, and the avalanche of responses to the tune of, "Because it's PORN."

[personal profile] cheshyre 2007-01-12 07:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Coming back to this late, but what's your opinion on the use of "slash" to refer to RPF?

If somebody writes fic about actors or boy-band members, is that slash?

How about Marlowe's Edward II?

What if the couple are MOTAS to one another, but are not now and never have been in a relationship?

Just curious.

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