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Sarah/Katherine ([personal profile] truepenny) wrote2008-03-30 11:00 am

Sixteen years later

I finally have an idea for my Gold Award project. It came to me in a dream.

Let me back up.

I was a Girl Scout. (Hard though that is even for me to believe.) I actually started out as a Bluebird (the Camp Fire Girls* equivalent of a Brownie), but my Bluebird troop "flew up" to be Junior Girl Scouts on account of a lack of Camp Fire Girls troops. So I was a Junior Girl Scout and then I was a Cadette and then I was a Senior Girl Scout (all of which seems to be now subsumed by Studio 2B which is seriously GIVING ME HIVES and would have ensured I quit Scouting a whole heck of a lot earlier than I actually did. I mean, really. When did Girl Scouting become about style and when did it start marketing itself like those repulsive girly teen magazines that made me think I was never going to be able to get this femininity thing right?), and I earned badges like a mad thing (talk about enabling overachievers) and I earned my Silver Award, and then I was a high school senior and supposed to be working toward my Gold Award (the Girl Scout equivalent of making Eagle Scout, and, yeah, "Gold Award" vs. "Eagle Scout"--lame, I know) . . . and I quit Scouting instead.

There were lots of reasons for that, including internecine politics which meant that my troop went from being extremely small--10 girls or fewer I think--to being part of a troop of 30 and that we went from having a scout leader whom I adored to having a scout leader whom I disliked very much, but one quite genuine reason was that I could not think of a project for my Gold Award.***

Well, now I've thought of one. I couldn't have done it when I was a Scout, and actually, I don't think it would have been nearly as necessary in Oak Ridge--which has an astonishingly good public school system. But goodness knows the college students I've taught here in the Upper Midwest could have used it. To wit: a one week course in how to close-read a text. Start with literature, sure, but the last day have everyone bring in a text of their own choosing. Advertising, politics, the damn mission statement of the Girl Scouts of the USA. Bonus if you bring in something that isn't text and close-read it anyway. You make it self-perpetuating (which is a condition of the award now and probably was in 1992 also) by having a younger scout serve as a teaching assistant/apprentice, on the understanding that she'll teach the class next year with an apprentice of her own. Make it something that students sign up for and make it available to everyone, not just kids in college track classes. I have a hobby horse about close-reading, but it is an actual skill and in a culture of spin and hype, it's actually pretty darn valuable.

So there. Closure. Weird and pointless, but closure nonetheless.

I do actually feel better.


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*I notice that Camp Fire USA now prides itself on being coeducational**, which I think is pretty darn cool, actually. But back in the '80s in my hometown, no such thing.

**Whereas Girl Scouts prides itself on being girls only and Boy Scouts of America seems largely unaware that girls exist at all--and somebody could do a quite interesting study on the differences in presentation between these three organizations; finding the page where Camp Fire says "coeducational" and Girl Scouts says "girls only" took less time and effort than trying--and failing--to find anything on the BSA site that mentioned inclusion/exclusion policies. The "Organizational Identity" page is about copyright and trademark. I do notice that "Venturing" is at least nominally coed, but boy is that not where BSA is putting its money and its mouth. (And I wonder a little about how many teenage girls actually have the balls--if you'll pardon the expression--to stick it out when they're, in essence, joining a boy scout troop.)

Okay, longest digressive footnote in history, I'll stop now. Except that I should add that I'm well aware of the debate, both past and ongoing, about whether girls-only is a good thing or a bad thing. Having personally had rotten experiences with both teenage boys and teenage girls, my feeling is really that it isn't the sex of the group members that matters, but how they're taught to treat each other. It's certainly true that boys can be poisonous little shits to girls (and vice versa), but it's also true that girls, like boys, can be poisonous little shits to each other. So, I think girls-only can be a positive thing (cf. Carol Gilligan et al.), but I also think coeducational could work just fine, if the adults have a big stick handy and are willing to use it to whack the culturally conditioned sexual harassment bullshit when it rears its head. (And if the big stick is actually effective in getting it through kids' heads that what they're doing is cosmically Not Okay.) I also hope that the culturally conditioned sexual harassment bullshit isn't as bad as it was when I was a teenager, but, you know, I'm not holding my breath on that one.

Um. Oops. Okay, really stopping this time.

***Notice the requirement to purchase something. And then the further requirement to earn "charms" as steps along the way. Which, yes, the individual girl scout will have to purchase. This was a constant source of tension between scouting and family: the sheer amount of crap that Girl Scouts insisted you had to buy. For instance, Juniors, Cadettes, and Seniors all had different colored uniforms, which meant a new outlay of money every two or three years. Plus the handbooks. And all the insignia and badges and patches and this and that and on and on world without end. And let's not even get STARTED on the godforsaken cookie sales. Materialistic. Yes. And oh look. Of course they have an online store and a "boutique" aimed at the girls. Can't teach 'em too young to start searching for gratification through consumption.

Ahem.

I wasn't a really good match with Girl Scouts as a teenager, and I'm clearly even less well matched now. Although it seriously makes me want to start a program called Geek Scouts. Boys can come, too.

[identity profile] mrissa.livejournal.com 2008-03-30 05:16 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not surprised you were a Girl Scout. But I was a Girl Scout, too, so I probably have a different perception of it. (I quit when I was 12, because there was math club to be had, and anyway the other girls in my area didn't want to do GS any more.)

Also, we didn't have uniform requirements in my GS troop, and my mom (the troop leader) would have cordially invited anybody who got uppity about uniforms and buying crap to bite her, the end, don't let the door hit them on the way out.

[identity profile] coffeeem.livejournal.com 2008-03-30 05:18 pm (UTC)(link)
I would so join Geek Scouts. And you could introduce kids early to botany and environmental science and rocketry and and and...
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[personal profile] the_rck 2008-03-30 05:23 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd totally have signed up for a class in close reading when I was in high school (I'd do it now, but I'm not sure I could find a babysitter). I'm not sure that it's something I'd be good at, but I'm always curious about other ways of looking at texts. I tend to look at things a little more anthropologically, though, which always got me into trouble in college lit classes as the instructors really did not want me going there.

My girl scout troops didn't push uniforms. We all paid to get sashes, but uniforms weren't required. Some girls did get them, but nobody wore them, and I don't remember any social divisions based on who did or didn't have them (I didn't). Of course, our troop also didn't do much with badges. I think I earned three in two years of scouting.

[identity profile] truepenny.livejournal.com 2008-03-30 05:24 pm (UTC)(link)
And geocaching and bookbinding and ...

Yeah. Like that.

[identity profile] swan-tower.livejournal.com 2008-03-30 05:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I quit Girl Scouts when they had us making finger puppets instead of learning to build fires and survive in the wilderness. I think I got out while the getting was good, to judge by the current look of the organization.

But man, I so would have joined Geek Scouts. Can we get somebody to found that for real?

[identity profile] pixelfish.livejournal.com 2008-03-30 05:29 pm (UTC)(link)
I was a Girl Scout in Utah. Ten years. Got the ten year pin. My experiences were a mixed bag, but mostly tending towards the positive.

The thing is, my dad wanted me to join the Boy Scouts. I'm sure I would have been one of those law suit cases, but the LDS church practically owns the Utah Boy Scout Council, so our local bishop put the pressure on my dad to drop the thing. So I was enrolled in Girl Scouts instead. (Which in the long run, I think was better, as I was exposed to a lot of non-Mormons that way.) But my memories don't really run towards the style and boutique-ness that you describe. We camped in snow and ice and started mini-businesses and scuba dived and rappelled and a bunch of other things, some of which tended towards the societally "girly" but most of which did not. Mormon church camp, by comparison, was more like what you describe: finding out if you were a spring or a winter, painting crafty country ducks in appropriately pastel shades, and discussing marriage goals. Mrfl.

I'll have to admit I liked the badges and cookie sales. But I was a competitive little bugger who actually sold almost all her own cookies. No making my dad haul the sales sheet around to the office. I sold over 2000 boxes one year going door to door in Utah County. And the badges? You could explain my attitude toward badges like a video game: I like games that reward you constantly and have a variety of things to level up. (Hence my WoW and Civilization addictions.) Getting badges was like...levelling up.

I do wish there was a co-ed program for Geek Scouts though. That sounds tres awesome.

[identity profile] pixelfish.livejournal.com 2008-03-30 05:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, my troop was very lax on the requirements. I had the sash, but only cuz I was a badge fiend.

[identity profile] truepenny.livejournal.com 2008-03-30 05:30 pm (UTC)(link)
If anybody knows anybody who knows anything about starting and running non-profit youth groups, feel free to mention it to them! I personally got nothing.

[identity profile] pixelfish.livejournal.com 2008-03-30 05:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Anatomy for artists. Coding your own video game. Recycling. Miniature painting. Papercraft. Cooking in metric. :)

You know the toys I loved best in catalogues were all science toys. Like terrariums and mini-microscopes and stuff like that.

[identity profile] truepenny.livejournal.com 2008-03-30 05:34 pm (UTC)(link)
What I'm describing isn't my memories of Girl Scouts, either. It's what their website looks like now.

There were actually a lot of things about Girl Scouting that I enjoyed. We went rappelling, and caving (the caving was freaking AWESOME, and Geek Scouts should totally do it), and horseback riding, and a lot of other non-"girly" things. Where I failed to mesh properly was with the social stuff of being in a Scout troop. (No, not surprising.) And I hated the cookie sales with a red hot passion.

But I loved earning badges, for--I suspect--pretty much the same reasons you did.

[identity profile] truepenny.livejournal.com 2008-03-30 05:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Writing a collaborative Choose Your Own Adventure book.

Or a text adventure. With grues.

[identity profile] swan-tower.livejournal.com 2008-03-30 05:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Alas, me neither. Just wishful thinking.

[identity profile] truepenny.livejournal.com 2008-03-30 05:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah. But somebody may know somebody. It is the way the internet works.

[identity profile] michaeldthomas.livejournal.com 2008-03-30 05:52 pm (UTC)(link)
I actually ended up being an honorary Brownie after I was kicked out of the Cub Scouts for being a bad influence on the other boys (I openly questioned the organization’s lack of religious inclusivity). Since my mom was a Brownie leader, I just started hanging out with them.

I greatly preferred the Brownies. Their activities involved a lot more creativity, learning, and collaboration. Our suburban Cub Scout troop was almost completely focused on macho competitive crap like the pinewood derby races. Perhaps I would have enjoyed the experience more if there had been some camping.

By the way, where can I sign my daughter up for Geek Scouts? :)





[identity profile] kightp.livejournal.com 2008-03-30 05:52 pm (UTC)(link)
There is a coed scouting program, if not for geeks, at least with geeky possibilities: Spiral Scouts (http://www.spiralscouts.org/). Although its origins are in the neo-pagan counterculture, it's now entirely ecumenical, with a focus on learning about/honoring the planet. I've run into Spiral Scouts at various festivals here in the Northwest, and they seemed to be having a blast.

[identity profile] saiyamoru.livejournal.com 2008-03-30 05:58 pm (UTC)(link)
The one thing I know about Girl Scouts--and no, I have never been part of it, mostly because as a child I aspired to be 'one of the guys', and Girl Scouts seemed like just another huge cement block to trip over--is that, as a sophomore in high school, the residing priest delivered a homily on how they were promoting lesbianism.
He ended up retiring early.
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[personal profile] libskrat 2008-03-30 05:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Maybe the BarCamp types could be goosed into doing something like Geek Scouts? Because, yeah, how awesome is that?

[identity profile] dichroic.livejournal.com 2008-03-30 06:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Orienteering - an outdoor sport *made* for geeks.

Or combine things, like teach them how to prepare for and then compete on an obstacle course where you have to start a fire (with or without matches, depending how tricky you want to make it), text a message (points for speed and creative abbreviations), tie a figure 8 climbing knot, solve a logic puzzle, build a Lego structure (5-minute time limit, points for height), look at a simple Java program and figure out what it will do, run a hundred yards, and make scrambled eggs.

OK, maybe all that's a bit much for one competition, but I like the idea of mixing up geek activities with more traditional scouting-type ones.

[identity profile] msisolak.livejournal.com 2008-03-30 06:16 pm (UTC)(link)
The BSA Venture Crews are great... and my daughter's been a part of one since she was 14. She'd been a GS for the first several years, but was fed up with the programming available to her. She wanted to spelunk and camp and rock climb just like her brothers, so age fourteen did not arrive nearly fast enough.

She's still in her Venture crew, along with a bunch of her friends that got sucked in with her, and I'd say the girls are a majority of that particular crew, and the ones that really run the thing. But because they're aligned to a regular BSA troop, they can attend those outings in addition to their own. Which explains Joshua Tree and her climbing.

This summer, though, is all about a two-week trip to Philmont Scout Camp in New Mexico and a 75-mile backpacking trip at elevation.

I would join the Geek Scouts, though. As long as the uniform is cool t-shirts and jeans.

[identity profile] truepenny.livejournal.com 2008-03-30 06:19 pm (UTC)(link)
I am very pleased to hear that Venturing can work. Thank you!

[identity profile] truepenny.livejournal.com 2008-03-30 06:19 pm (UTC)(link)
And of course the Geek Scout uniform includes jeans.

And t-shirts the kids design themselves.

[identity profile] pixelfish.livejournal.com 2008-03-30 06:20 pm (UTC)(link)
A Geekathalon! :)

But why points for height on the Lego structure? Why not points for poundage it can carry? Or points for ability to emulate famous architectural achievements, like the Sistine Chapel or Angkor Wat? :)

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[personal profile] deepad 2008-03-30 06:24 pm (UTC)(link)
My brain decided to remind me about your post ages ago where you talked about realistic school stories, and now I have visions of all the Chalet school books rewritten with Geek Scouts instead of Girl Guides in them, and the rest of the story squinched to fit accordingly.

[identity profile] dichroic.livejournal.com 2008-03-30 06:25 pm (UTC)(link)
The latter is too subjective. Poundage would be OK - it just takes a little longer to measure. I'm thinking that with an event this complex, the simpler and more objecive the judging can be, the better. Fewer hurt feelings, fewer misunderstandings, fewer volunteers needed to run it.

[identity profile] dichroic.livejournal.com 2008-03-30 06:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Maybe what you do is have a wide range of activities that can be included, prepare for all of them, and then just choose two or three at a time for each competition. It could be a series of events even. You could also include more sports stuff, like climbing a wall or swimming, kayaking, or cycling a short distance.

And they should open it to adults, too, because I'd *totally* compete in that.

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