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Sarah/Katherine ([personal profile] truepenny) wrote2009-03-12 01:03 pm

the problem of genre & sffh

I want to talk for a minute about why "genre" is the wrong word for science fiction and fantasy--though not necessarily the wrong word for horror. And how that makes the whole question of genre vis-a-vis sffh so damn complicated.

I'm sure I've said most of this before, probably more than once, so here's a cut tag for those of you who don't want to sit through it again.



Okay. Step 1, a definition: what is a genre?

(Step 1a: "genre" is not the same as "marketing category." "Marketing category" tells booksellers where to put the book on their shelves; it's an external label applied for the sake of convenience and has very little to do with what's going on between the covers. So the following discussion is not about marketing categories. Just so we're clear.)

Put most simply, a genre is a kind of story. The First Folio of Shakespeare is divided into comedies, tragedies, and histories: those are the genres his contemporaries identified. (And remember that to the Elizabethans and Jacobeans, a comedy was a story with a happy ending, not necessarily a story that was funny.) Modern scholars tend to divide them into comedies, tragedies, histories, romances, and problem plays (although this term is itself problematic, suggesting as it does that there's something "wrong" with the plays it's used to describe). Problem plays are plays like Troilus and Cressida and Measure for Measure: stories that aren't tragedies or histories, but don't meet our definition of comedy and most certainly are not romances. And even "romance" is a slippery term, because Shakespearean scholars don't use it to talk about plays like As You Like It or Much Ado About Nothing, which are concerned with erotic romance, but about The Tempest, The Winter's Tale, Pericles, and Cymbeline. Romance in a much more old-fashioned sense, as a kind of precursor to the novel. Modern novelists have tried to resurrect the romance in this sense from time to time, but it mostly doesn't work very well. Romances are proto-novels, but they're also more and stranger than that; they're artifacts of a different way of understanding storytelling.

... I've distracted myself slightly.

Kinds of stories.

So mysteries are stories in which a puzzle is solved (generally it's a crime and most often a murder, but neither of those is mandatory). Romances (in the popular sense) are stories in which two people fall in love. Bildungsromans are stories in which a young person becomes an adult. These are genres that are identified by their plots. Other genres can be identified by the kinds of events that happen in them. The Gothic, for example, or the adultery-in-Hampstead novel which [livejournal.com profile] oursin decries so trenchantly. Westerns are defined by their setting (more about that in a moment), but also by the kind of events that take place within them--thus we can recognize "Westerns" even when they don't take place in the Old West. (Firefly is a sf example.) Horror, too, can be defined by the kinds of events that it allows and disallows--and those events aren't necessarily supernatural. Psychological horror is also horror (A Kiss Before Dying springs immediately to mind for me; doubtless someone can supply more recent examples).

By this definition--a genre is a kind of story--science fiction and fantasy are not genres. You can tell any kind of story you like, because what makes it science fiction, or fantasy, is the setting. ("Setting" is a tricky word, because it has connotations of the external, and therefore superficial--or of a stage-set in the theater, which is canvas and plywood made up to provide the illusion of a drawing room or a psychologist's office or even a theater. In other discussions about setting and sffh, I've used the word "world," as in world-building, but that also feels wrong here, because I'm not necessarily talking about world-building at all.) You can write sff mysteries, sff romances, sff bildungsromans, sff westerns ... None of the story elements that makes those genres genres needs to be tampered with very much. Note, however, that horror does demand that the story elements shift. A horror bildungsroman (like, say, Frankenstein) is very different from a science fiction or fantasy bildungsroman (Growing Up Weightless, for instance, or--to be utterly immodest--A Companion to Wolves). For that matter, you can write sff horror. Alien, Q.E.D.

The other problem is that what makes a setting sff can vary wildly from book to book. The two books I was talking about yesterday, The Drowning City and Dragon in Chains are secondary world fantasy; they take place entirely in imaginary places. [livejournal.com profile] matociquala's Blood & Iron takes place partly in imaginary places, but partly in New York. Is it an imaginary New York? Yes, of course. But then, every time New York appears in a work of fiction, it's an imaginary New York. [livejournal.com profile] pameladean's Tam Lin takes place at an imaginary college--but we understand as readers that it's a real imaginary college (not like Caroline Stevermer's College of Magics, which is a secondary world imaginary college)--except that it's also connected to the court of the Queen of Faërie. And then there's a book like Peter Dickinson's Sleep and His Brother, which is utterly, prosaically real--except that the condition the children suffer from, described in perfect, prosaic detail, is imaginary. Does that make it fantasy, or just fiction? And then there's the meta axis--Samuel R. Delany's Neveryon books (I apologize: I can never remember where the diacritical marks go, and at the moment I can't remember where my Delany books are) is fantasy about fantasy, sharply and scintillatingly self-aware.

You begin to see why sff defies genre definitions. It's a kind of story, yes, but the common element is simply the contravention of consensus reality, which can range in fantasy from the objective reality of ghosts or fairies or other supernatural creatures in the "real" world (Toni Morrison's Beloved) to the shifted details of a realistically extrapolated alternate history ([livejournal.com profile] papersky's Farthing books) all the way through to the creation of an entire imaginary and non-Newtonian world like Terry Pratchett's Discworld. And science fiction is no better in terms of definitional stability, as it can range from rigorously extrapolated "future history" (using Heinlein's term but not pointing to Heinlein as an example of rigorous extrapolation) through a vast variety of combinations of science and fiction (Octavia Butler, Kim Stanley Robinson, C. J. Cherryh) to space opera to science fantasy like Star Wars.* Again, what makes two books recognizable as part of the same kinship group is the existence of an element contrary to consensus reality. Even horror isn't so much a kind of story as it is a pressure on the way those stories unfold (see above re: bildungsroman).

And to make things even worse (!), there are genres within these broader categories of fantasy, science fiction, and horror. We know this because there are genre conventions which we recognize. Diana Wynne Jones' The Tough Guide to Fantasyland is a compendium of these tropes, a satirical guide to the genre [livejournal.com profile] matociquala calls Fat Fantasy With Maps. Horror movies run on genre conventions; that's how you can have franchises like Friday the Thirteenth and A Nightmare on Elm Street. But there are also books in these categories (fantasy, horror, science fiction) that don't merely reject or subvert the tropes of those particular genres, but that aren't even playing the same game, much less by the same set of rules. Against the Belgariad put Molly Gloss's Wild Life. There are genres within fantasy, but fantasy is not a genre.

We need a better word, and the problem is not that such words don't exist--[livejournal.com profile] papersky uses the word "mode," [ETA: to talk about something similar but not identical]--but that there isn't consensus. It's hard to talk about something before you've agreed on a vocabulary, and the word that people have agreed on is "genre." And I guess all this post is, really, is an argument about why agreeing on that word doesn't get us any farther.

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*I, personally, have never been able to decide whether alternate history is science fiction or fantasy. But since my own view tends to make science fiction itself a subset of fantasy, we'll go with that.

Re: genre

[identity profile] truepenny.livejournal.com 2009-03-12 11:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you. That's a lovely capsule description and points at the things I wasn't managing to say.
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[personal profile] redbird 2009-03-13 12:28 am (UTC)(link)
I think the problem there is that the contravention of consensus reality often isn't the point of the story, and usually isn't noticed by anyone within the story. In a mystery, at least some of the characters are aware that the puzzle exists, and if it is solved* it is solved by characters in the story, not by Deus Ex Machina. [Random person not previously seen in the story showing up on the next-to-last-page and confessing isn't considered proper, nor are divine voices telling the detective "arrest the guy in apartment 4, he did it and if you tell him you know he'll confess and show you the knife.") Similarly, the people the romance is about are aware of each other and of their feelings, at least by the end of the story.

In most sff, the characters aren't aware of consensus reality being contravened. Their world is the real world. It may have alien spaceships, or a different history from ours, or magic that works. But the story isn't about history having changed, and if it's about the spaceships showing up or the magic coming back, the reaction is "this is weird|scary|wonderful" not "this can't be the real world, because in the real world magic doesn't work, and Nixon lost in 1960."

So, yes, sff are stories set in alternate realities, many of which fall into identifiable patterns, but they aren't stories in which reality changes. [Not usually, and that tends to get metafictional, as with R.A.W. Wilson's Schrodinger's Cat or Matt Ruff's Fool on the Hill.

*It's arguable whether, say, McBain's He Who Hesitates is a mystery, despite being clearly a novel about a crime.
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[personal profile] redbird 2009-03-13 12:29 am (UTC)(link)
Aaargh!

[identity profile] veejane.livejournal.com 2009-03-13 01:10 am (UTC)(link)
FWIW, consider cross-genre adaptations: Dashiell Hammett novels are mostly set in an urban landscape, but they're regularly adapted to western settings (and to samurai movies). Let's be honest, probably half the WWII movies ever made are actually westerns set in France. Lone-wolf urban cops took over the western roles in the late 60s/early 70s.

So I, for one, define the western not by its setting at all, but by its character-types and outcomes. Dirty Harry and Ethan Edwards have a lot more in common than, say, Antonia in My Antonia has with either of them!

[identity profile] britmandelo.livejournal.com 2009-03-13 01:55 am (UTC)(link)
Huh. I'm going to think about this for awhile. (And I also totally end up putting scifi as part of fantasy, because it seems to make sense to me.)

[identity profile] starlady38.livejournal.com 2009-03-13 01:56 am (UTC)(link)
I like the idea of fantasy/sf as a mode (though partly I think that's just because I spent way too much time wrestling with modes in ancient Greek), and I certainly think that the continuing pervasive construction of sf/f as a genre contributes to a number of unsavory habits of thought both in readers and fans of fantasy/sf and among people who don't read sf/f and would be horrified to do so. Audrey Niffenegger just received (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/11/books/11niff.html?_r=1&ref=books) a $5 million advance for her second novel because her work has been stamped "literary fiction" and is published by "literary" publishers--whereas to fans of sf/f such as myself, her work is fantasy/sf that dares not speak its name. But perish the thought that it's not literary! On a similar note, I was considering today why Haruki Murakami has been labeled "literary" when his work features any number of tropes which are rather fantastic. Genre (and high-low culture) divisions aren't as strict in Japan, but this isn't Japan. Is it just because only "literary" publishing houses have the resources to publish authors in translation?

Whoops, digression.

So, yeah, I'm in favor of any convention of reference that takes the fight to those small-minded literary fictionalists who've somehow managed to stake the high ground for themselves on the basis of the idea that "more real" = better. *g* Even though if we stop referring to fantasy/sf as a genre, we'd just be stuck with handfuls of sub-genres within a larger mode, which might lead to even more sub-genre balkanization, which is a trait I find pernicious.

For myself, fantasy has magic, and science fiction doesn't, though the categorization is admittedly arbitrary. -rolls eyes at self-
Edited 2009-03-13 01:56 (UTC)

How about "language" and "dialects"?

[identity profile] joshenglish.livejournal.com 2009-03-13 04:59 am (UTC)(link)
That's what I came up with tonight after thinking about it.
In short: tropes are the vocabulary of genre, therefore genres are languages, and sets of tropes are dialects.

http://joshenglish.livejournal.com/147889.html


[identity profile] calanthe-b.livejournal.com 2009-03-13 06:20 am (UTC)(link)
By this definition--a genre is a kind of story--science fiction and fantasy are not genres. You can tell any kind of story you like, because what makes it science fiction, or fantasy, is the setting.

I would disagree with this rather; setting may be important, but I don't think it's what makes a fantasy. For me it's that narrative movement through eucatastrophe into recognition and metamorphosis (or aware variations on this movement - the rejection of eucatastrophe, or metamorphosis, or reinterpretation or suchlike) that Clute and Grant discuss in the Encyclopedia, along with the question of mode (the fantasy/mimesis continuum etc) and the sharp awareness of being told, and told in relation to other stories, that make a text a fantasy (can't comment on SF; not my field). I also don't know another genre that uses structuring devices to encode stories and ethical theories the way fantasy does, but that's a project I have yet to fully explore.

Have you read Attebery on this topic, btw? The first chapter of Strategies of Fantasy is particularly good and says lots of useful stuff about the formula/mode/genre intersection...

Eeep. Sorry for academic 'splosion all over your journal. I just got support for the first stage of a postdoc fellowship application and it's got me all giddy and enthused about my lit scholarship again!
Edited 2009-03-13 06:21 (UTC)

[identity profile] truepenny.livejournal.com 2009-03-13 06:27 am (UTC)(link)
Congratulations! That's awesome!

I'm not sure I agree with your definition of fantasy, but I frankly haven't read enough theory to keep up with you.

[identity profile] calanthe-b.livejournal.com 2009-03-13 06:49 am (UTC)(link)
Oops! Sorry. ~is idjit~ Note to self: please to refrain from posting while bouncing off the walls with glee...

[identity profile] truepenny.livejournal.com 2009-03-13 07:01 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, hey--it's not a problem. I'm not up to speed on the critical theory in this area (mine is much more the view from the trenches), but that doesn't mean I object to it.

[identity profile] anef.livejournal.com 2009-03-13 10:58 am (UTC)(link)
Um. I understand what you're saying about male and female, but to me the distinction is rather between the conscious and the unconscious. I believe that science fiction comes from the conscious part of the brain, the rational, thinking, logical part, and fantasy relates to the unconscious, where lies our need for story. When I read fantasy, it's feeding that need directly, and bypassing the conscious area that wants things to make sense, or be "realistic".

[identity profile] matociquala.livejournal.com 2009-03-13 11:12 am (UTC)(link)
Congrats!
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[personal profile] kate_nepveu 2009-03-13 12:42 pm (UTC)(link)
. . . yeah, but I don't call Dashiell Hammett novels _Westerns_. nor WWII movies set in France.

I mean, I think you're right that setting is not sufficient, but I'm still thinking that, at least in the general cultural-white-knowledge-level conception of "Western", it's necessary.
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[personal profile] kate_nepveu 2009-03-13 12:43 pm (UTC)(link)
those books eat genres for breakfast

Which I actually think is one of the problems with _The Dark Tower_, but that's probably a rant for another day.

[identity profile] lee-in-limbo.livejournal.com 2009-03-13 12:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I prefer to think of Alternate History as a form of Speculative Fiction, and though I know that tends to get lumped in with SF (even has the same initials), I do think of it as being a separate entity, somewhere between SFF/h and Magic Realism.

Lee.

[identity profile] papersky.livejournal.com 2009-03-13 01:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Not a problem. I'm not very coherent on that subject. My concept of mode includes what you're talking about, what kind of things can be real, and what kind of story it is, but it also includes things that are usually classified under style (I think) when they're talked about at all, such as where the narrator is standing and how seriously the text takes itself (and the reality of its secondary world) and permissable tone and so on... and I guess things that people class under structure too, like the way I alternate POVs in the Small Change books.

Mode is very important to me, because the thing I have to have and without which I can't start. It's not enough, but it's essential.

It's like a set of stops for an organ that control all this different stuff and then you can go forward with the tune.

[identity profile] ozarque.livejournal.com 2009-03-13 01:40 pm (UTC)(link)
This is a splendid essay; thank you for posting it. I am especially pleased with your elegant "the common element is simply the contravention of consensus reality," which is one of the most useful propositions I've ever read.

I'd like very much to be able to refer people to this post. Is that all right?

[identity profile] truepenny.livejournal.com 2009-03-13 04:47 pm (UTC)(link)
That is absolutely all right. And thank you!

[identity profile] girlpunksamurai.livejournal.com 2009-03-13 05:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Actually, the whole genre' thing is giving me a serious problem right now

I'm doing a research paper on Jewish women in America and their efforts to support WWII or to help Jewish immigrants fleeing the Nazis and my college library was having trouble finding resources (only 2 articles and 2 books-not enough for me, many Multiple Paragraph Girl >.>) and the librarian explained that it was because there were many genre's, categories, and sub categories that had to be sifted through.

So I vote for more efficient system please. 10 page paper, due in 2 weeks. Failure on my part is unforgivable [/end darth vader voice]

genre vs marketing category

[identity profile] innerplatypus.livejournal.com 2009-03-13 05:37 pm (UTC)(link)
I think that on a practical level the problem with defining science fiction and fantasy as opposed to other genres is that the genre of sff doesn't fit neatly into a marketing category and thus on a day to day basis when trying to find a particular work or even browse this genre in the bookstore I (and probably other readers) run into problems that I don't find when browsing Mysteries or Romance or other categories or genres. I might find Oryx and Crake and The Handmaid's Tale put into literary fiction. Vampire stories are sometimes put into Horror. And what about magic realism? It's put in literary fiction usually, but from a genre defining perspective I don't see why it ought to be. I have found many books I consider science fiction and fantasy in other marketing categories. What would be really useful for me is for the definition of the sff genre and the definition of the marketing category of sff to coincide.

[identity profile] dark-towhead.livejournal.com 2009-03-13 06:22 pm (UTC)(link)
A great essay about the fluidity of genre, though I find myself disagreeing with your presentation of the horror genre. For me, "horror" is more of a mood than a type of story.

Unfortunately, your essay is a bit vague about this particular genre, drawing more examples from film than from fiction. While I agree that film has a very tried and true paradigm for what constitutes a "horror story" (be it the dead teenager flick or monster movie or whatever), unfortunately the fiction is not quite so clear cut. I am, alas, having trouble seeing the "events that it allows and disallows".

Let me present some examples: I find horror equally expressed in Gary Braunbeck's Prodigal Blues, Poppy Brite's Exquisite Corpse, Gustav Flaubert's Madame Bovary, William Faulkner's "A Rose for Emily", Cormac McCarthy's Outer Dark, Joyce Carol Oates' Beasts, and Dan Simmons' Drood. I personally include these as horror stories, yet I do not see these books particularly united by event inclusions (or exclusions) . . .

Could you perhaps expand a bit upon your view of horror fiction?

[identity profile] truepenny.livejournal.com 2009-03-13 06:45 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't quite see why Madame Bovary is a horror story. It's a horrible story, and it's a horrifying story--and it's certainly a cautionary tale, as many horror stories are. But if you call it a horror story, I think you've diluted the horror genre to the point where the term becomes meaningless.

There are two different tacks I can take in answering your question--which, I should add, I think is a completely fair question and one worth asking. One would be to pursue my dissertation (http://www.sarahmonette.com/dis-pref.html), which argues that Renaissance tragedy is the precursor of modern horror. But I don't think that line of argument is particularly useful in this instance; I mention it mostly to reassure you that I have actually thought about horror as a genre and the issues involved. The other would be to cite John Clute's The Darkening Garden, which crystallized the genre for me beautifully: Clute says that what characterizes horror is the a priori given that the world as we know it is a lie. Horror stories are about the process of uncovering the lie. (In these terms, Madame Bovary is not a horror story because we as readers know all along that Emma Bovary is self-deluding. There's no revelation for us, only watching her stupid, pointless tragedy unfold. But Flannery O'Connor writes horror, because her stories rip away our protective belief in the decency of human beings.) So horror, as a genre, rather than being defined by the presence or absence of elements contrary to consensus reality, is defined by this process of revelation, what I suppose, paralleling Tolkien's eucatastrophe, we might call dys-epiphany. But because horror always leads to the dys-epiphany, it also has a natural affinity for the fantastic, because what horror says, over and over again, is in essence, "The monsters they told you were make-believe are real."

[identity profile] matociquala.livejournal.com 2009-03-13 06:50 pm (UTC)(link)
But because horror always leads to the dys-epiphany, it also has a natural affinity for the fantastic, because what horror says, over and over again, is in essence, "The monsters they told you were make-believe are real."

Dude.

You just explained to me why I find horror so damned boring. And why other people call some of my stories horror, when I don't see that element in them at all.

...because I knew that already.

...wow.

[identity profile] truepenny.livejournal.com 2009-03-13 06:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Certainly there are other things going on in horror stories; there are particular fears that can be invested in the monsters: fear of nuclear catastrophe, fear of sex, fear of [fill in the blank] (my particular weakness is mirrors). But yeah. If that revelation doesn't have any punch for you, a lot of horror just isn't going to work.

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