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Sarah/Katherine ([personal profile] truepenny) wrote2009-05-14 10:06 am
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Heyer: The Black Moth/Black Sheep

This post is as much a PSA as anything else: two publishers, Sourcebooks Casablanca and HQN (otherwise known as Harlequin), seem to be in competition to reprint Heyer's books. The funny thing is, it's very difficult to tell one from the other. Trade paperback, similar palettes, similar fonts (the fonts they use for GEORGETTE HEYER are almost indistinguishable), similar choices wrt cover art: oil paintings of Regency people. Sourcebooks is using better quality paper and has eschewed the dodge of "foreword by NYT bestselling author!"--and doesn't have ads for their other books in the back, either, which I confess counts as a win in my estimation. Sourcebooks is also making a serious effort to reprint Heyer's historical novels (i.e., all the ones that aren't category romances) and mysteries, which means that I finally, finally have a copy of The Unfinished Clue that isn't literally falling to pieces in my hands. So, yeah. PSA. If you're looking to complete your Heyer collection, or to replace books in bad condition, now is a really good time.

The Black Moth and Black Sheep are the two Heyer romances I have never previously been able to find. (You may imagine my glee in the dealers' room at Penguicon when I discovered them.) They make an interesting pair, and not only for the color motif in their titles.

The Black Moth is Heyer's first novel, famously written to entertain a convalescent brother when she was seventeen, and if the book as published is what she wrote as a seventeen-year-old, she was magnificently precocious and should possibly be canonized as St. Georgette, patron of teenage writers.


It is, quite obviously, her first novel. The plot depends heavily on coincidence--our hero, the Earl of Wyncham, wrongfully disgraced and now amusing himself by playing highwayman, waylays not one person he knows, not two, but three: his brother, his best friend, and his enemy, who is conveniently at that moment in the process of abducting the heroine. And Heyer doesn't quite have control of her material. The secondary couple (the earl's brother and his wife, who is the villain's sister) have far too much time center-stage (my opinion here quite possibly colored by my intense desire to drown them both in a bucket), and Heyer is clearly fascinated by her villain without quite knowing how to make him work.

That villain, Tracy Belmanoir, Duke of Andover, and his deeply dysfunctional family, is clearly a trial run for Justin Alastair, Duke of Avon, and his equally dysfunctional family, as we meet them in These Old Shades and Devil's Cub. I just reread the first chapter of TOS, and you can in fact match what Avon says about his backstory onto Andover's progress through TBM, point for point, except that she's changed all the names. Belmanoir becomes Alastair (with curious, heavy-lidded hazel eyes instead of curious, heavy-lidded green eyes); John Carstares (the Earl of Wyncham), who uses the alias Anthony Ferndale, becomes Anthony Merivale; Diana Beauleigh becomes Jennifer Beauchamp; Frank Fortescue (Belmanoir's BFF) becomes Hugh Davenant (and Tracy Belmanoir's first given name, which he apparently does not use, is Hugh); Tracy's sister Lavinia becomes Justin's sister Fanny; Tracy's brother Andrew becomes Justin's brother Rupert (and Tracy's brother Bob mercifully disappears, perhaps drowned in the bucket I brought for Lavinia and Richard?); and we can pick up and continue right along.

(I would love, btw, to know why she changed her cast from Belmanoirs to Alastairs. I can guess that one reason was the uncomfortable closeness produced by having the hero and villain of The Black Moth be brothers-in-law, especially when the villain's villainy consists in twice abducting the young lady who becomes the hero's wife, but that's only a guess.)

Tracy isn't entirely successful as a character; he's too obviously an artificial assemblage, without that deeper sense of interiority and self-judgment that makes Justin Alastair as compelling as he is. But oddly, he also has one moment of psychological depth and truth that is unlike anything else I've come across in Heyer:
"Pray do not distress yourself, Frank. I am not worth it."

"I choose to think that you are. I cannot but feel that if you had been loved as a boy--Your mother--"

"Did you ever see my mother?" inquired his Grace lazily.

"No--but--"

"Have you ever seen my sister?"

"Er--yes--"

"In a rage?"

"Really, I--"

"Because, if you have, you have seen my mother. Only she was ten times more violent. In fact, we were a pleasant party when we were all at home."

"I understand."

"Good Gad! I believe you are sorry for me?" cried Tracy scornfully.
(TBM 86-87)

Right there, just for a moment, there's a glimpse of something under all the Byronism of Andover and Avon and most especially Vidal (I love Vidal, but he is, of all Heyer's heroes, the one who is frankly a guilty pleasure, because I do know better*), the same Byronism she goes on to make fun of in Venetia and to deconstruct in Cousin Kate (really, psychopaths aren't as much fun as you think)--something shockingly real in the midst of the mannered artificiality of the book. And yet something also that isn't the point--Tracy barely thinks it's worth mentioning. I can't articulate why this affects me as strongly as it does, but it stands out very sharply for me.

The mannered artificiality, mind, is part of the fun. Despite Harlequin putting a Regency buck on the cover, this isn't a Regency; it's set in the 1740s, and not one man of the cast would dream of being seen in public with his hair cropped like that. Wigs and patches and fans, and she evokes brilliantly the deep and pervasive artificiality of England's upper crust. Tracy and his spoilt, tantrumy sister Lavinia are as much a product of their appalling society as they are of their appalling mother, and while Heyer clearly enjoys writing that society, she's not apologizing for it.

I wouldn't recommend this as an entry point into Heyer, because it isn't her best book, but if you already like her, it's worth the read.

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*Speaking of guilty pleasures: I know that there is no intentional homoeroticism in Heyer, because on the evidence of one of her mysteries, Duplicate Death, her homophobia was virulent to the point of grotesquerie, and I know that the rather charged language of male friendship in her pre-Regency books is merely her being faithful to her source material, but all the same, I have never been able to keep from slashing Avon and Davenant,** and The Black Moth ponied up admirably with Tracy and his Davenant-analogue, Fortescue, who are just as slashable--and then there's this perfectly lovely moment, in which Tracy says to his sister, "My dear Lavinia, like all Belmanoirs, you care first for yourself and secondly for the man who masters you" (TBM 60). I tell you, the BDSM vignette, "In Which Frank Fortescue Teaches The Duke of Andover to Care for Him," practically writes itself.

**Also, as with her later novel The Corinthian, which also has a cross-dressed heroine, I suspect I shall someday fall prey to the urge to write a version of These Old Shades in which Léon is, in fact, Léon.





The thing I want to know about Black Sheep is why I've never been able to find it before, while the markedly inferior Lady of Quality is everywhere to be found. This is problematic because the two books are very much alike: both set in Bath, both with a heroine in her late twenties who has never known love (living in both cases with an older female relative who has more hair than wit), both with a hero who is middle-aged and contemptuous of society's dictates. Oh, and filthy stinking rich. Black Sheep is distinctly the better book (Lady of Quality was Heyer's last novel, and either her powers were declining or she didn't get a chance to go back and prune the purple prose, because there are stretches of it that I find embarrassing to read), and it suffered, for me, because I'd seen all its tropes before in an inferior setting. I like Abby Wendover better than Annis Wychwood and Miles Calverleigh better than Oliver Carleton, and I like Abby's ingenue niece Fanny much better than whatserface in LoQ. And I am predisposed to like Abby and Miles because, like Venetia and Damerel, what first attracts them to each other is their shared sense of the ridiculous (and yet, the two couples are quite distinct--Abby and Miles are much less likely to quote at each other).

Black Sheep has some issues in its complicated plot-and-counterplot structure, but it bounced immediately into my second tier* of Heyer favorites. If you haven't read Lady of Quality yet, read Black Sheep first. If you have read Lady of Quality, do your best to put it out of your mind. Black Sheep will reward you.

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*After Venetia, which is hands-down my favorite, the first tier is Sprig Muslin, The Grand Sophy, and A Civil Contract; the second tier includes books like The Quiet Gentleman, Charity Girl, The Unknown Ajax, Faro's Daughter, and The Talisman Ring. So you can see that Black Sheep is in good company.

[identity profile] remote45.livejournal.com 2009-05-14 05:02 pm (UTC)(link)
My first romance was "These Old Shades"! I fell in love with Ms Heyer at that moment and she will always be the standard to which I compare any romance book to! I can remember the utter joy when I discovered Devils Cub was a continuation. I totally agree with you on all your points. Venetia will always be near and dear to my heart. I have a special fondness for The Toll Gate and Friday's Child too. I loved all of her books and it is absolutely wonderful that her novels are being reprinted. I am picking up each one as they come out so that my poor tattered paper backs can stay in their carefully protected plastic container. I'm glad I wasn't the only one who couldn't figure out why she changed the names in TOS when anyone could clearly see they were the same people. I always love to hear people talk about her books. She was such a wonderful writer! And what is funny, is that everyone who has read one of her books has read many, many more!

I love Heyer's Regency and 18th-century novels so much

[identity profile] dakiwiboid.livejournal.com 2009-05-14 05:17 pm (UTC)(link)
But I don't like her mysteries at all. I struggled through them, but they always seemed as if they were written by someone else entirely. Her other historical novels were OK, but they lagged behind her best work in the period in which she seemed most at home, and by the time she wrote My Lord John, the heart had gone right out of her.

Her "other romances", like Instead of the Thorn and Helen are also oddly dead.

She spent hours, days, weeks in the British Library, private libraries, mercantile libraries and anywhere else she could track down information to make her books and characters sound more authentic, and she certainly succeeded.

To many of us, Heyer was our gateway not only into romance novels but historical fiction and 19th century novels.

To this day, little bits of the cant I learned from her still slip into my speech. Bless the woman.

Re: I love Heyer's Regency and 18th-century novels so much

[identity profile] truepenny.livejournal.com 2009-05-14 05:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Her mysteries are a really mixed bag (for me). I think Envious Casca is BRILLIANT, and I love The Unfinished Clue--I even quite like Duplicate Death, except for the horrible caricature of homosexuality (Oh Georgette Heyer no!). The others are mostly just meh.

Her non-romance historicals don't do a thing for me, beyond the respectful "you really researched the snot out of this, didn't you?"

And Penhallow was just bad.

Re: I love Heyer's Regency and 18th-century novels so much

[identity profile] etv13.livejournal.com 2009-05-14 07:08 pm (UTC)(link)
It's been a really long time since I read Penhallow (I didn't like it much either), but as I recall, there is a homosexual character in it who is pretty sympathetically portrayed. And then there's Francis Cheviot.

Re: I love Heyer's Regency and 18th-century novels so much

[identity profile] truepenny.livejournal.com 2009-05-14 07:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I seem to have blocked everything about Penhallow out except the badness, and okay, it's been a while since I read The Reluctant Widow, but are you sure Francis Cheviot is either gay or sympathetically portrayed?

Re: I love Heyer's Regency and 18th-century novels so much

[identity profile] shana.livejournal.com 2009-05-14 10:49 pm (UTC)(link)
He could plausibly be gay...

And it depends on whether you consider 'subtle, brilliant and ruthless' to be sympathetic qualities.

Re: I love Heyer's Regency and 18th-century novels so much

[identity profile] mariness.livejournal.com 2009-05-14 11:03 pm (UTC)(link)
I always read Francis Cheviot as possibly gay, but most distinctly unsympathetic.

Penhallow has one clearly lesbian character - the daughter, Charmian (?), who even has a girlfriend who likes pink, (alas, all of my books are in storage, so I can't verify names) and one possibly gay character, the son Aubrey, who writes clever poetry and hurls insults at everyone. And many of the characters seem to think that the youngest son, Clay, is gay, although he really just seems to be utterly useless. I can't exactly claim this as win for gay portrayals, though, given that Penhallow is such a repellent book.

Re: I love Heyer's Regency and 18th-century novels so much

[identity profile] etv13.livejournal.com 2009-05-15 03:57 am (UTC)(link)
As for Penhallow, I only read it once (as opposed to the zillions of times I've read, say, Cotillion (my favorite right now) or Venetia (my favorite in my mid-to-late teens) or The Foundling (my favorite in my twenties)), but there are aspects of it that seem to have stayed with me. As for Francis Cheviot, I am not sure he is gay, because (a) I am truly the girl with no gaydar, and (b) he strongly resembles a character in one of the mysteries who is definitely straight. But I think that Francis Cheviot can reasonably be read as being gay (and maybe more than just friends with "poor Louis"), and while I wouldn't call his portrayal sympathetic, exactly, it isn't homophobic, either. He's a highly intelligent force to be reckoned with, he puts the interests of his family and his country first, and in the end I think Carlyon, rightly, respects him.
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Re: I love Heyer's Regency and 18th-century novels so much

[identity profile] oursin.livejournal.com 2009-05-14 07:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm vaguely recalling - and this may not be Heyer at all, it may be some contemporary crime-in-the-village novelist - fairly positive representation of dog-breeding collar-and-tie female couples.

Re: I love Heyer's Regency and 18th-century novels so much

[identity profile] truepenny.livejournal.com 2009-05-14 08:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Other than Unnatural Death, you mean? That's the only one I know of. Although, to be fair, I don't think I've found all of Heyer's mysteries, and I'm not pretending my knowledge of mid-century British mystery writers is complete, either.

Christiana Brand's Death in High Heels has a gay character who's rather stereotyped but also sympathetic. (Unlike the unspeakable ghastliness of Ngaio Marsh's stereotyped and repulsive gay characters in Singing in the Shrouds and Death in Ecstasy.)

Re: I love Heyer's Regency and 18th-century novels so much

[identity profile] belmanoir.livejournal.com 2009-05-14 09:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Her other historical novels were OK, but they lagged behind her best work in the period in which she seemed most at home, and by the time she wrote My Lord John, the heart had gone right out of her.

This is really funny to me because I'm pretty sure she thought of those as her best work! At least, there is a foreword in...I think it's "Lord John" but it might be "Simon the Coldheart" in which her husband says she liked those best and reviles the "brutal British tax system" which forced her to keep churning out the romances! Of course, just because her husband said it doesn't make it true, but just in case I would like to extend a warm thank you to the British tax system.

Re: I love Heyer's Regency and 18th-century novels so much

[identity profile] truepenny.livejournal.com 2009-05-14 09:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Arthur Conan Doyle felt the same way about Sherlock Holmes. And one of the thematic points Stephen King makes in Misery is that you have to grow where you're planted. Paul Sheldon's gift is for writing bodice-ripper gothics, and he can't change that, no matter how often he makes the I R SRS WRITER face.

Re: I love Heyer's Regency and 18th-century novels so much

[identity profile] belmanoir.livejournal.com 2009-05-14 09:58 pm (UTC)(link)
This is one of the many things I love about Harriet Vane--that she says she is a good mystery writer, and that one ought to do one's own job and not someone else's, however "worthy" that job might be.

Re: I love Heyer's Regency and 18th-century novels so much

[identity profile] deliasherman.livejournal.com 2009-05-15 04:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah. Me, too.

One of the big problems with her Medieval historicals is that she was embarrassed by religion. I don't think it's possible to paint an accurate portrait of an age of faith, where God was everywhere (whether you personally believed in him or not) without mentioning him. What I retain from Lord John (and I grant it's been decades since I read it) is a chilly, bloodless political tract with wooden characters and not so much overt emotion as would have discommoded Queen Victoria at her most unamused. Which is most ahistorical of Heyer.

I'm glad to hear the Heyers are being re-issued. I can't read The Grand Sophy in the tub any more because the pages have come adrift from the spine. Which is tantamount to a tragedy, when I'm feeling the urge.

[identity profile] kateelliott.livejournal.com 2009-05-14 05:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Devil's Cub and Venetia are two of my comfort reading books. Also, actually, the romance parts of An Infamous Army if I skim through what I think are the well done but not for incessant re-reading political and battle parts.

[identity profile] truepenny.livejournal.com 2009-05-14 05:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah. I admire An Infamous Army more than I like it.

[identity profile] saoba.livejournal.com 2009-05-14 05:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Eee! The Unknown Ajax is the one I have successfully pushed on people who swear they would never ever enjoy a romance of any kind because the genre's all rubbish.

I do so adore that moment when they come back and shuffle their feet and ask what else I'd recommend.

[identity profile] cynthia1960.livejournal.com 2009-05-14 05:35 pm (UTC)(link)
I will note that my Harlequin copy of These Old Shades has the same cover art as my Sourcebooks copy of Regency Buck. The Arrow UK copies also are very nice; I'm taking the opportunity to standardize my Heyer historical/romance collection in one general size format (Arrow/HQN/Sourcebooks) (but am currently passing on the mysteries).

[identity profile] fidelioscabinet.livejournal.com 2009-05-14 05:48 pm (UTC)(link)
When my mother downsized, she refused to part with the Heyers.

For all that the modern mysteries are a mixed bag, I think books like The Toll Booth, The Reluctant Widow, and The Quiet Gentleman benefit from their mystery plots, as Cousin Kate does from its horror/Gothic elements.

A Lady of Quality, however--excuse me, I can feel my feet falling asleep at the thought, shortly followed by the rest of me. It's as if she was imitating herself.

[identity profile] truepenny.livejournal.com 2009-05-14 05:59 pm (UTC)(link)
It's as if she was imitating herself.

She was! It's Black Sheep with different characters and a more annoying ingenue. Although I admit, the character I genuinely like in Lady of Quality, and who I don't think we see in other books (because you can, in fact, trace character types from one book to the next--I don't consider it a flaw), is Amabel, Lady Wychwood.

[identity profile] fidelioscabinet.livejournal.com 2009-05-14 06:38 pm (UTC)(link)
My words are deserting me today--I think they're sick of the way I've been abusing them here at work, and are on strike as a result--but it reads like one of those people writing"Regency" romances, who don't know what they're writing about, period-wise, and also aren't able to do more than funny-hat characters.

Heyer has a great range of secondary characters, though, and I often thin she found a good many of them more itneresting than some of her leads.

[identity profile] papersky.livejournal.com 2009-05-14 05:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Not actually relevant to anything, but I read those two together as well, when reading what the library had, alphabetically.

I can never remember A Lady of Quality, it goes right out of my head.

[identity profile] truepenny.livejournal.com 2009-05-14 06:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Just reread Black Sheep. Same book, better writing. :)

[identity profile] dd-b.livejournal.com 2009-05-14 05:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I've known a number of Heyer fans, and like historical novels in the locations she covers, and while I have a good bit of prejudice against genre romance, I absolutely love A Civil Campaign and Busman's Honeymoon for example, so I can't be totally allergic to books with romance as a big component, so I suppose I really need to get around to reading some well-chosen Heyer one of these days. We have some around the house already, even, plus there's that marvelous institution the "library".

[identity profile] truepenny.livejournal.com 2009-05-14 06:03 pm (UTC)(link)
I imagine you even know people who would be happy to advise you. ;)

[identity profile] dd-b.livejournal.com 2009-05-14 06:10 pm (UTC)(link)
In fact, it seems to be a constant of my life that there are MANY people who would LOVE to advise me; if not so commonly on the things I actually want advice about.

But, in this case, the desire and the opportunity are nearly certain to coincide, yes.

[identity profile] torrilin.livejournal.com 2009-05-14 06:11 pm (UTC)(link)
But do you love Gaudy Night?

If yes, then I'd try something like The Toll-Booth, Venetia, or A Civil Contract. Most Heyer is perfectly readable, but if you read them all in a great gulp they can rather blend together.

[identity profile] dd-b.livejournal.com 2009-05-14 06:36 pm (UTC)(link)
I like Gaudy Night quite a lot too; but in the tier below BH.

I see Sarah was right :-).

Thanks!

[identity profile] torrilin.livejournal.com 2009-05-15 11:20 am (UTC)(link)
Hee. You're very welcome. I use Heyer on a lot of male SF fans... once they realize that there is a story in there, they tend to be pretty happy. And I don't try if the fan in question hates a lot of the stuff that fits romance genre conventions.

If you tend to read for characters, you'll probably like other romance authors too. Just be cautious. Some of the publisher requirements up into the 1990s were pretty toxic. For a while, there was a rule that you couldn't show the female lead having sex without her being raped first. By the male lead. Yes, this led to a lot of *really* dreadful books. (yep, that's what the phrase "bodice ripper" refers to)

[identity profile] sleary.livejournal.com 2009-05-14 06:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Venetia is a pretty consistent favorite among very bookish people. It's certainly mine.

The Black Moth -- spoiler!

[identity profile] hagsrus.livejournal.com 2009-05-14 06:27 pm (UTC)(link)
I have only a vague memory of this but if it's the one I'm thinking of the heroine's comment about cheating at cards was a superb punchline to all that angst and guilt!

These Old Shades -- always a bit disappointing to me because of Leon turning out to be Leonie, though obviously she had to be. A bit of slashy titillation along the way, though.

But I love Devil's Cub, one of her best, I think. Mary is very engaging.

Other favorites: Venetia (most of all), A Civil Contract, The Unknown Ajax, Friday's Child.

Re: The Black Moth -- spoiler! second thoughts

[identity profile] hagsrus.livejournal.com 2009-05-14 06:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Or was that Powder and Patch?

Re: The Black Moth -- spoiler! second thoughts

[identity profile] truepenny.livejournal.com 2009-05-14 06:32 pm (UTC)(link)
No, you're right. It's TBM.
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[identity profile] rymenhild.livejournal.com 2009-05-14 06:40 pm (UTC)(link)
**Also, as with her later novel The Corinthian, which also has a cross-dressed heroine, I suspect I shall someday fall prey to the urge to write a version of These Old Shades in which Léon is, in fact, Léon.

Please. Please. How much do I want to read that book? I cannot express the depth of my longing in words!

[identity profile] clairification.livejournal.com 2009-05-15 12:26 am (UTC)(link)
me too! me too! I thought I was alone in this particular wish.

[identity profile] belmanoir.livejournal.com 2009-05-14 09:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I tell you, the BDSM vignette, "In Which Frank Fortescue Teaches The Duke of Andover to Care for Him," practically writes itself.

I...think you should write this. I ship Frank/Tracy HARD (and I love that they appear to end up living in Venice together).

[identity profile] mia-mcdavid.livejournal.com 2009-05-14 09:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I *love* Heyer! Thanks for the heads-up! Hey, do you, or does anybody, know which book the hero and the villain fight a duel with swords in an inn after the hero enters through a window? I can remember...

[identity profile] teadog1425.livejournal.com 2009-05-15 09:51 am (UTC)(link)
Do you mean Regency Buck? :-)

(Anonymous) 2009-05-15 01:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Or it could be A Convenient Marriage.

Jess.

[identity profile] mia-mcdavid.livejournal.com 2009-05-15 05:56 pm (UTC)(link)
No, that's got the coming-through-the-window, but then the Earl ends the matter with one punch. This was an out-and-out sword fight. I remember they took off their boots....

[identity profile] lenora-rose.livejournal.com 2009-05-15 01:19 am (UTC)(link)
I picked up the Grand Sophy because it seemed to be the universal favourite, liked it, and found a copy of the Unfinished Clue immediately after; which I found an indifferent-to-dumb solution-to-the-mystery but a much more worthy wild cast of characters and event to that end-point.

Since then, the only ones I've found without spending new-book prices were Lady of Quality, which, even with that thin reading, did indeed read like a weak mockery (Although it positively shone compared to the Heyer-imitation regency I read shortly thereafter, which had ahistorical bits to make me wince, and I don't know the period nearly that well) and the Talisman Ring, which is still on the great unread shelves.

And I was warned off Simon the Coldheart and My Lord John.

So,m in short, thank you for the lsit of which other titles to look for.

[identity profile] april-art.livejournal.com 2009-05-15 03:29 am (UTC)(link)
TBM was my first Heyer, but as I was a teen-ager at the time it hit the right notes for me and I fell in love with ALL of her romances (I also read the mysteries and historicals, but like them not so much). In college, Heyer was the guilty pleasure that I had in common with a few discerning Lit. majors. And I happily wrote a long paper on Highwaymen for my 18th C. Social History Seminar.

_These Old Shades_ is my favorite. I rather have a weakness for the cross-dressing in _The Masqueraders_ and love men dressed in satin and lace and heels, spouting poetry, in _Powder and Patch_. Regencies: _Venetia_, of course, and _The Grand Sophy_. I'll re-read most all of Heyer's romances, devouring them like the best of comfort food. *sigh*

[identity profile] strangerian.livejournal.com 2009-05-15 03:43 am (UTC)(link)
All your second-tier books are among my favorites, with Civil Contract and Frederica. The others are generally wonderful as well, but those with stronger plot elements can stand out a bit.

The 20th-century mysteries are so-so, although the occasional Regency-esque character livens them up -- not, alas, often enough.

(Anonymous) 2009-05-15 07:42 am (UTC)(link)
I always thought she changed the names because by the time she wrote TOS she was aware that the Black Moth had faults and didn't want to be to overtly tied to them. I love BM, although I don't quite see Merrivale as Carstairs, he is too staid now! TOS was the first Heyer I read and is still a favourite ( please write Leon, though I also love Alastair/Hugh). Trying to pick my other "first tier favourites" is way harder than I thought, they keep shifting. I love The Grand Sophy, Frederica, The Spanish Bride, Cotillion- I am just going to end up listing half the books! I always read the stereotyped gay character in Duplicate Death as the character's viewpoint, not Heyers own- after all Robin flirting with the mountain in The Masqueraders is one of my favourite scenes ( Robin/ Sir Anthony!). And does anyone else have a secret yen for False Colours twincest? Or would that just be me....I am going to start a Heyer reread after work today, might start with The Talisman Ring, mmmm. Tiffany( yes named from The Nonesuch, definately third tier for me and I'm not even the heroine!)

[identity profile] rusty76.livejournal.com 2009-05-15 11:30 am (UTC)(link)
Love this post - I've been picking up the reprints as they come available, with much glee.

Speaking of cross-dressing, etc - what are your thoughts on _The Masqueraders_?

[identity profile] deliasherman.livejournal.com 2009-05-15 04:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I love it immoderately. I'm sure Heyer would be shocked and horrified to know what my adolescent psyche made of the possibilities of boys dressed as girls and girls dressed as boys. But I suspect that her psyche did not bear too close examination--thus (possibly) the virulently anti-gay public stance.

[identity profile] truepenny.livejournal.com 2009-05-15 05:04 pm (UTC)(link)
I enjoy it, but it's not one of the ones I seek out to reread. It doesn't really come to life for me very well--possibly because I think the genderfuck potential is so marvelous and so under-utilized.

(Relevant to nothing, I love your icon!)

[identity profile] mevincula.livejournal.com 2009-05-15 06:23 pm (UTC)(link)
interesting how even if you think you like the same things, you don't really. I prefer Lady of Quality to the Black Sheep - why? the first page and the coachman's point of view. and as far as the henwitted female, I defy you to find a more tiresome female than Maria Farlow. Sometimes when one of my co-workers won't shut up, I call her Maria just to amuse myself (she has no idea what my problem is).

One of my favorite things about Georgette Heyer is that she had a deck of characters which she shuffled up to create a new dynamic for each book (e.g., Let's make the fashionable fribble the hero - Freddie in Cotillion. Let's make the quiet guy the hero, the Duke of Sale in the Foundling -- and a near-sighted heroine, who tangles her shawl - I mean really who can ask for more?). The pity is that all of Heyer's imitators picked her reformed rake character (from Black Sheep, Lady of Quality, Venetia, etc.) as the stock hero - which after reading a few bad imitations kind of ruined those books for me. I like the silly or the more sinister heroes better. Avon/Alastair never reforms much.

As far as the slash goes, Hugh/Alastair was rather famously done, but the D/s goes the other way ( http://www.geocities.com/jat_sapphire/1nightstands/wov.htm ) I'd love to see you do it though. I think you understand the dynamics of pain - both physical and spiritual.

I adore Georgette and have read all of the romances into tatters. I've been rebuying them all again, but the new ones are very poorly bound and the covers have a distressing habit of coming off. (on the historicals, I had a British history professor who actually used excerpts from an Infamous Army to teach Waterloo - that's how accurate it is. But still the best part of that book is that Barbara is Alastair's granddaughter)