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Aug. 18th, 2008 01:51 pm
truepenny: artist's rendering of Sidneyia inexpectans (valkyries)
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TIME: 30 min.
DISTANCE: 3.5 mi.
TOTAL: 29.7 mi.
NOTES: Too busy yelling at Prof. Rabkin to go for the burn.
SHIRE-RECKONING: I can see the River from here!

We've started Part 2 of the lecture series and Professor Rabkin is defining science fiction. He constructs a definition of science fiction in which the prototype has three characterisitcs:

1. claim of plausibility against a background of science (he's also asserted that Star Wars is science fiction, and I'd really like to know where he finds the claim of plausibility in it*)
2. high adventure (at this point, I yelled "MIKE!" at the DVD player, because Growing Up Weightless is brilliant science fiction and not even remotely "high adventure"**)
3. intellectual excitement (I will grant that good science fiction does provide this, but you know, so do mysteries. Fantasy can do it, too--at least I hope to hell fantasy can do it, or what on earth have I been doing for the past fifteen years?)

There's also an implicit, unexamined definition of science fiction against fantasy, whereby science fiction is (a.) for adults and (b.) literature.

And I'm sorry. Taking cheap potshots at the MOVIE VERSION of Dracula (and he doesn't even specify which movie) to assert that Frankenstein is more scientific and more plausible, and he conflates the Karloff Frankenstein with the Shelley Frankenstein anyway, since Mary Shelley very carefully avoids ANY explanation of how Victor animates his creature--I think that was the point at which I descended into name-calling . . . no, sorry, that was when he was expressing ASTONISHMENT that Asimov and Tolkien should be grouped together by publishers. I very nearly stopped the CD at the point where he was explaining prototypical definitions with the example of female beauty. "We look at a woman," he says, and you know what? That "we" does not include any women in it. It's that nice unexamined "the generic pronoun in English is 'he'" kind of misogyny which has no animus against women, and it doesn't matter unless you ARE a woman, in which case you suddenly feel like you've been asked to leave.

Also, when he talked about the types of definition, citing Wittgenstein (prototypical, functional, characteristic, and social) he forgot to mention the other crucial axis, prescriptivist vs. descriptivist. But since he's chosen to make a prototypical definition, he's prescriptivist by default. Which means I will be severely skeptical from here on out.

Also, he's trying to claim The Tempest is science fiction. Where is the science? Where, for that matter, is the claim of plausibility? WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT, OVER.

Um.

Well, you know, it got my heart rate up. *g*

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*My Star Wars canon includes only three movies and does not contain the word "midichlorians" in its lexicon. And Rabkin's only talking about A New Hope anyway.

**Speaking of Mike, I hope he knew about and visited the Mid-Continent Railway Museum. We went last weekend, and I kept thinking, "Mike would love this!"

Date: 2008-08-18 07:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] herewiss13.livejournal.com
Um...wow.

That does seem like some extremely clueless academia. My condolences for your exposure to it.

Date: 2008-08-18 07:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] matociquala.livejournal.com
(She's doing it to herself)

Date: 2008-08-18 09:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] herewiss13.livejournal.com
I can condole even self-afflicted abuses. :P

Date: 2008-08-18 07:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kelliem.livejournal.com
Also, he's trying to claim The Tempest is science fiction. Where is the science? Where, for that matter, is the claim of plausibility? WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT, OVER.

Well, it is, if you happen to have called it Forbidden Planet and changed a bunch of stuff. ;D

Date: 2008-08-18 07:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reannon.livejournal.com
very nearly stopped the CD at the point where he was explaining prototypical definitions with the example of female beauty. "We look at a woman," he says, and you know what? That "we" does not include any women in it. It's that nice unexamined "the generic pronoun in English is 'he'" kind of misogyny which has no animus against women, and it doesn't matter unless you ARE a woman, in which case you suddenly feel like you've been asked to leave.

May I quote you?

P.S. Midichlorians violate the Heisenberg Compensator School of Science Fiction and are therefore evil.

Date: 2008-08-18 07:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] truepenny.livejournal.com
Yes, you certainly may.

Date: 2008-08-18 07:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] semperfiona
My Star Wars canon includes only three movies and does not contain the word "midichlorians" in its lexicon.

All right-thinking people agree.

Date: 2008-08-18 10:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snowy-owlet.livejournal.com
George Lucas is no longer invited to my house for dinner.

Date: 2008-08-18 07:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nancylebov.livejournal.com
That claim of plausibility against a background of science aspect doesn't sound totally crazy to me. You just have to include people who have only the sketchiest idea of science, and then you can see why van Vogt is science fiction rather than fantasy.

That claim about The Tempest is still nonsense, though.

Date: 2008-08-18 08:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hominysnark.livejournal.com
it got my heart rate up

Asshattery cardio! You could be onto something here.

Date: 2008-08-18 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] torrilin.livejournal.com
It is oh so very tempting to ask what he'd do with Marion Zimmer Bradley... Or some of the weirder bits of Heinlein and Turtledove.

Date: 2008-08-19 12:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leahbobet.livejournal.com
One day someone will be able to give an academic lecture on science fiction and fantasy without dissing something.

*hums "Somewhere"*

Date: 2008-08-20 07:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] calanthe-b.livejournal.com
His name is Brian Attebery and I believe he still does it fairly regularly...

Date: 2008-08-20 11:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leahbobet.livejournal.com
I must kidnap him on behalf of the University of Toronto, which turned my SF&F Lit course into three hours every Monday of teeth-clenching rage.

Date: 2008-08-21 11:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] calanthe-b.livejournal.com
I don't know if he is kidnappable...but Strategies of Fantasy is still the best book in the field, so you can get him by proxy, on the reading list. Also, he is now editor of the JFA, which can only be a good thing!

Date: 2008-08-19 04:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] strangerian.livejournal.com
Also, he's trying to claim The Tempest is science fiction.

Um, so it will be for adults and literature, like fantasy isn't?

Date: 2008-08-19 07:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barbarakitten-t.livejournal.com
sigh! I went to the website and I went to his home page and I know I don't have time and I want to hear these lectures but if he's pissing you off so badly I'm not really sure I should try....

Why did you choose to take this course, have you emailed him with your response or sent him a link to your LJ, what's next.

Date: 2008-08-19 07:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] truepenny.livejournal.com
I'm listening to them because my parents loaned them to me.

And, no, there's no reason to chase the poor man down and harangue him just because ***I*** happen to think he's wrong.

Like most academics, I actually kind of thrive on intellectual aggravation. *g*

Date: 2008-08-19 07:43 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
???????????????????????????????????? should have followed that last run on with a question mark

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